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Title: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on August 24, 2017, 12:51:56 am
What will be the price of IGNIS at Ardor released, then 1 year after released.

Please give your guess and why you think so.

And what about Ardr?

Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Right.Here on August 26, 2017, 08:02:42 am
What will be the price of IGNIS at Ardor released, then 1 year after released.

Please give your guess and why you think so.

And what about Ardr?

Hi  :D
i think is so soon to speculate but one thing is sure, without a large users base, both have no value at all  ;)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on August 30, 2017, 02:44:42 am
no thoughtful prediction after 250 topic reads?
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: neofelis on August 30, 2017, 03:59:26 am
OK,  After Ardor goes live, I predict it will get to $0.50 before settling down to about $0.40.  After about a year, it should be up to $0.75 depending on how many child chains there are.

I hope Team Jelurida gets some movement on blockchain adoption by companies...
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: MadCow on August 30, 2017, 04:33:06 am
Price is very hard to predict, so many variables, too many unknowns, depends largely on BTC price, as do all crypto assets.

What I can predict with much more certainty is coinmarketcap ranking, ARDR is currently in the 50-60 ranking. In 12 months ARDR & IGNIS should be consistently in the top 20.

Traditional investors are looking at crypto as a legitimate asset class now, and ranking high on coinmarketcap consistently is more important than price in the medium term.

Cryptos below the top 50 are much less likely to get picked up by "index funds", and that means projects with good tech could easily fall into obscurity.

The place to aim for is the top 20, price in 12 months is less of a concern to me, but ranking is critical to getting accepted by traditional investment world.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cayenne on September 14, 2017, 06:24:22 pm
OK,  After Ardor goes live, I predict it will get to $0.50 before settling down to about $0.40.  After about a year, it should be up to $0.75 depending on how many child chains there are.

This is pure speculation, but I think Ardor will jump above $2.00 in November, and maybe hit $5.00 by January. In a couple of years, Ardor could be worth, who knows?, $15 or higher.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on September 15, 2017, 12:41:01 am
OK,  After Ardor goes live, I predict it will get to $0.50 before settling down to about $0.40.  After about a year, it should be up to $0.75 depending on how many child chains there are.

This is pure speculation, but I think Ardor will jump above $2.00 in November, and maybe hit $5.00 by January. In a couple of years, Ardor could be worth, who knows?, $15 or higher.

What make you think that ARDR will go high like that?
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on September 15, 2017, 03:11:29 am
I hope we could have options market for Ardor sometime, than we could look at the price of like the call@$2.00 to get the speculation of all traders. ;)

Not sure about the price in November but I would love to sell some November $2.00 calls to him. :D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cayenne on September 15, 2017, 12:13:20 pm
What make you think that ARDR will go high like that?

A lot of new currencies, after an ICO, jump up into the few dollars range. Ardor is not exactly new or an ICO, but Nov is the first time it will be a coin and not merely an asset. Hopefully, we'll get some good press in the mass media about that time, too.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: neofelis on September 15, 2017, 02:20:46 pm
And hopefully the millions Jelurida has collected will be put to good use.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: digicoiner on September 18, 2017, 09:44:36 pm
Which one is better to hodl? Is it better to hold more Ador as you can stake it? Is bundling Ignis worthwhile?
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: neofelis on September 19, 2017, 01:02:34 am
I'm of the mindset to HODL ARDOR. 
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: joelquest on September 20, 2017, 04:05:40 pm
I wish blockfolio allowed me to input IGNIS.   I have no clue whta that will be worth once ARDOR goes live.   
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: MrCluster87 on September 21, 2017, 08:41:38 am
Hi everyone!! My introduction video over Ardor 2.0.3e software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsh5EY5HVY
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on September 22, 2017, 02:11:50 am
Hi everyone!! My introduction video over Ardor 2.0.3e software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBsh5EY5HVY

Please stay on topic, this topic is not the other "price speculation" topic where everyone post whatever they want in it. Thank you

Great for the video btw   ;)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cayenne on September 22, 2017, 12:36:48 pm
I'm wondering whether Ignis or Ardor will be worth more. They cost nearly the same now (10 to 15 cents per coin). Ardor has been on the exchanges for a while at that price, and Ignis is new. Maybe the newness will give Ignis a boost at first? I think I should grab some Ignis (or hold NXT for the snaphot), just in case Ignis surges above Ardor.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ThomasVeil on September 23, 2017, 11:57:13 pm
I'm wondering whether Ignis or Ardor will be worth more. They cost nearly the same now (10 to 15 cents per coin). Ardor has been on the exchanges for a while at that price, and Ignis is new. Maybe the newness will give Ignis a boost at first? I think I should grab some Ignis (or hold NXT for the snaphot), just in case Ignis surges above Ardor.

You mean the HitBTC price? How much can that one be trusted? It's traded in Ether... and it's some kind of IOU where I don't know where the coins are supposed to come from. 
I would think it's not to be trusted.

My personal theory is that IGNIS might get quite a boost because not so many people went through the trouble to buy it. So many lazy speculators will have to get it at the exchanges.   
There are open questions though... like how many IGNIS Jelurida intents to keep. They might have up to 200 million unsold coins.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cayenne on September 24, 2017, 12:01:37 am
I'm wondering whether Ignis or Ardor will be worth more. They cost nearly the same now (10 to 15 cents per coin). Ardor has been on the exchanges for a while at that price, and Ignis is new. Maybe the newness will give Ignis a boost at first? I think I should grab some Ignis (or hold NXT for the snaphot), just in case Ignis surges above Ardor.

You mean the HitBTC price? How much can that one be trusted? It's traded in Ether... and it's some kind of IOU where I don't know where the coins are supposed to come from. 
I would think it's not to be trusted.

My personal theory is that IGNIS might get quite a boost because not so many people went through the trouble to buy it. So many lazy speculators will have to get it at the exchanges.   
There are open questions though... like how many IGNIS Jelurida intents to keep. They might have up to 200 million unsold coins.

No, I was not referring to HitBTC.
I was figuring the price of Ignis based on buying and holding NXT until the Snapshot. I like that strategy because you get to keep your NXT.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Brangdon on September 24, 2017, 10:45:15 am
I'm wondering whether Ignis or Ardor will be worth more. They cost nearly the same now (10 to 15 cents per coin). Ardor has been on the exchanges for a while at that price, and Ignis is new. Maybe the newness will give Ignis a boost at first? I think I should grab some Ignis (or hold NXT for the snaphot), just in case Ignis surges above Ardor.

You mean the HitBTC price? How much can that one be trusted? It's traded in Ether... and it's some kind of IOU where I don't know where the coins are supposed to come from. 
I would think it's not to be trusted.

My personal theory is that IGNIS might get quite a boost because not so many people went through the trouble to buy it. So many lazy speculators will have to get it at the exchanges.   
There are open questions though... like how many IGNIS Jelurida intents to keep. They might have up to 200 million unsold coins.
How many people bought? At one point we had 800 transactions trying to buy, but that number dropped later. The UI that shows the distribution of tokens is limited to 100 accounts.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 09, 2017, 07:09:01 pm
So, as we are getting closer to release, what would be your adjusted speculation  :D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 10, 2017, 01:12:32 am
The official is buying ARDR and IGNIS ICO become stalling.

I guess 1:10. :D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 10, 2017, 01:34:40 am
The official is buying ARDR and IGNIS ICO become stalling.

I guess 1:10. :D

ARDR valued 10 times more than IGNIS?

Honnestly, I doubt that.  ;D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 10, 2017, 02:35:33 am
The official is buying ARDR and IGNIS ICO become stalling.

I guess 1:10. :D

ARDR valued 10 times more than IGNIS?

Honnestly, I doubt that.  ;D

IGNIS sold out @ 0.76 NXT and become stalling @ 1.05, so people think the fair price of IGNIS is between 0.76 and 1.05, let's say 0.9 NXT.

And AE says 1 ARDR is around 3 NXT.

That's already 1 : 3.33 right now.

And I think IGNIS is only use for the fees of its childchain, nothing extra benefits from holding.
Holding ARDR you could got fees from all the childchains.
Holding NXT you could forging and got the 10%-licence staff, but nothing from IGNIS.

In addition, currently the distribution of ARDR is much better than IGNIS.
And I guess devs have to keep around 20% unsold IGNIS after ICO? Because nothing can gain from holding it, they have to sell them gradually.

That's all speculation of course.  ::)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 10, 2017, 09:41:08 pm
The official is buying ARDR and IGNIS ICO become stalling.

I guess 1:10. :D

ARDR valued 10 times more than IGNIS?

Honnestly, I doubt that.  ;D

IGNIS sold out @ 0.76 NXT and become stalling @ 1.05, so people think the fair price of IGNIS is between 0.76 and 1.05, let's say 0.9 NXT.

And AE says 1 ARDR is around 3 NXT.

That's already 1 : 3.33 right now.

And I think IGNIS is only use for the fees of its childchain, nothing extra benefits from holding.
Holding ARDR you could got fees from all the childchains.
Holding NXT you could forging and got the 10%-licence staff, but nothing from IGNIS.

In addition, currently the distribution of ARDR is much better than IGNIS.
And I guess devs have to keep around 20% unsold IGNIS after ICO? Because nothing can gain from holding it, they have to sell them gradually.

That's all speculation of course.  ::)


Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 11, 2017, 04:53:37 am
Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)

1:10 is just a rough guess and I have no meaning of despising IGNIS.  ;D

If IGNIS's ICO is still sold out instantly in every round then I may change my mind, but it stalled @ 1.05.

And ARDOR keep rising and devs are buying.

Mainly the market's saying.  :D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 14, 2017, 05:35:40 pm
Just to add: Ignis will get airdrops thanks to the license used for Ardor. So any clones will have to give 10% of their tokens to holders.
And Ignis will for now be the only chain with (nearly) all the NXT functionality. Not sure how much that wll be used... but well. With Ardor you can't do all that much other than forging/bundling. Which might actually be a lot of work.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cgriswold on October 15, 2017, 05:20:24 am
Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)

1:10 is just a rough guess and I have no meaning of despising IGNIS.  ;D

If IGNIS's ICO is still sold out instantly in every round then I may change my mind, but it stalled @ 1.05.

And ARDOR keep rising and devs are buying.

Mainly the market's saying.  :D

The price stalled at 1.05 because that price is higher than obtaining IGNIS by buying/holding NXT.  If you buy 2 NXT, you receive 1 IGNIS during snapshot, essentially 1 NXT per Ignis and keep the other NXT.  The IGNIS Price will fall in the middle between ARDOR and NXT.  If the snapshot were today, with ARDOR at .26 and NXT at .06 IGNIS would be around .16     
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Brangdon on October 15, 2017, 01:02:31 pm
Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)

1:10 is just a rough guess and I have no meaning of despising IGNIS.  ;D

If IGNIS's ICO is still sold out instantly in every round then I may change my mind, but it stalled @ 1.05.

And ARDOR keep rising and devs are buying.

Mainly the market's saying.  :D

The price stalled at 1.05 because that price is higher than obtaining IGNIS by buying/holding NXT.  If you buy 2 NXT, you receive 1 IGNIS during snapshot, essentially 1 NXT per Ignis and keep the other NXT.  The IGNIS Price will fall in the middle between ARDOR and NXT.  If the snapshot were today, with ARDOR at .26 and NXT at .06 IGNIS would be around .16     
I don't follow. If people are holding NXT rather than buying IGNIS with it, it must mean they think NXT will still have value after the snapshot. For example, if you have 100 NXT now, they think it better to hold and end with 100 NXT and 50 IGNIS than to buy and end with 0 NXT and 105 IGNIS. So this values 100 NXT as being worth more than 55 IGNIS.

This values IGNIS at roughly half the price of NXT. I don't see how you get an IGNIS valuation close to three times NXT. I also don't see what the price of ARDR has to do with this calculation.

I'm surprised IGNIS is being valued so low. I'd have thought it would be more than NXT, because NXT is dying. I'm also surprised ARDR is so high, because you can't do anything with it. Some people seem to think they'll get revenue from forging with it, but historically forging revenue has been negligible and I doubt that will change in the medium term.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 15, 2017, 02:20:25 pm
I'm surprised IGNIS is being valued so low. I'd have thought it would be more than NXT, because NXT is dying. I'm also surprised ARDR is so high, because you can't do anything with it. Some people seem to think they'll get revenue from forging with it, but historically forging revenue has been negligible and I doubt that will change in the medium term.

Here is my guessing:

First, every childchain bundler have to pay ARDR to bundle their trades. If your childchain is super active and you want bundle it with 5 min interval, and if the fee is 1 ARDR, then that's 288 a day and 105,120 ARDR a year.
If you have a bunches of ARDR and can forge a lot, then you can wait and bundle them within your forged block, that's means you can bundle for free?

Second, there'd be a lot of childchains in future and we have the feature of trading them with each other right?
And creating each trading pair with every existing childchian-coins when a new childchain-coin release? that's not a good idea, more efficient way is trading each childchain-coin against one unit, which is ARDR I think. 
ARDR is acting like BTC to other alter-coins, just like those alter-coins exchanges now days.

That's all guessing and I'm not reading too much into the docs, correct me my if I'm wrong.  :D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 15, 2017, 03:31:13 pm
Fees to trade against ARDR will be about 10 times higher (could be 100, not sure of the exact ratio) than to trade between child chain to child chain.  Also transaction between childchain can be prune so its more efficients.

@galeki, my thinking is that when you see ARDR taking the place of the main trading token, I see IGNIS instead  :).
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 15, 2017, 05:04:10 pm
Just like the fees of BTC is 10+ times higher than altercoins.  :D

Everyone can create their own childchain, and I guess we could easily create a childchain does exactly the same thing the IGNIS does, let's say IG-2.
IG-2 will dilute some value of IGNIS because now we have extra tokens does the same thing.
But that doesn't affect ARDR and may give extra value to it, because IG-2 bundlers need ARDR to bundle their trades, and now ARDR forgers can got IG-2 tokens.

I guess the key of who is the king between IGNIS and IG-2 (and all other childchains) is, who is more actively bundled, which is need more ARDR.

Plus for pure features view, IGNIS does exactly the NXT does (minus the forging), so 1 IGNIS should eq 1 NXT, and that's pretty much the current market says.

For pure speculative view, ARDR already trading for a year and have much better distribution, is more easy to pump and no afraid of 'dev holding 20% coins' thing.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 15, 2017, 05:42:54 pm

Everyone can create their own childchain, and I guess we could easily create a childchain does exactly the same thing the IGNIS does, let's say IG-2.


I think Jelurida as said that they will not allowed that. In practice, Jelurida can easily embedded in the code that its not possible to create a child chain with all the same functionality as IGNIS. Right now, no child chains have as freedom as IGNIS does. Also, for the moment, only Jelurida can create a childchain.

Jelurida needs to protect their wealth since it consist of mostly IGNIS right now. There is no reasons to create a second IG-2 child chain.

Child chain are bound to certain user cases that include additional restriction. IGNIS purpose is to replace NXT everywhere it can. In practice, Jelurida will not want to maintain forever two pieces of software. So, from a software enginering point of view, I expect that NXT will be eventually phased out, but I think it depends on how successful Ardor is and how fast NXT start to be bloat.

Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 16, 2017, 11:34:07 am
I think Jelurida as said that they will not allowed that. In practice, Jelurida can easily embedded in the code that its not possible to create a child chain with all the same functionality as IGNIS. Right now, no child chains have as freedom as IGNIS does. Also, for the moment, only Jelurida can create a childchain.

Jelurida needs to protect their wealth since it consist of mostly IGNIS right now. There is no reasons to create a second IG-2 child chain.

Child chain are bound to certain user cases that include additional restriction. IGNIS purpose is to replace NXT everywhere it can. In practice, Jelurida will not want to maintain forever two pieces of software. So, from a software enginering point of view, I expect that NXT will be eventually phased out, but I think it depends on how successful Ardor is and how fast NXT start to be bloat.

Yeh, so many things are still unclear. If Jelurida hard code some rule to ensure IGNIS is the king, that does change everything.

Just wait two month we can see how it works. So excited~  ;D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Brangdon on October 16, 2017, 01:23:53 pm
I'm surprised IGNIS is being valued so low. I'd have thought it would be more than NXT, because NXT is dying. I'm also surprised ARDR is so high, because you can't do anything with it. Some people seem to think they'll get revenue from forging with it, but historically forging revenue has been negligible and I doubt that will change in the medium term.

Here is my guessing:

First, every childchain bundler have to pay ARDR to bundle their trades. If your childchain is super active and you want bundle it with 5 min interval, and if the fee is 1 ARDR, then that's 288 a day and 105,120 ARDR a year.
288 ARDR a day is a certain level of demand, but I would expect anyone actually using Ignis to have a much higher level of demand, as working capital. For comparison, the price of Bitcoin is high even though it isn't used for forging.

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If you have a bunches of ARDR and can forge a lot, then you can wait and bundle them within your forged block, that's means you can bundle for free?
That's worth something, but it is worth more than the interest which that much ARDR would gain if it was invested elsewhere? Historically income from forging has been derisory, and I don't expect that to change in the medium term. (It doesn't make much difference whether that income comes from costs saved forging your own chain, or payments from other chains.) Even in the long term, we may want to keep fees low (to about the same level as costs) to encourage usage.

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Second, there'd be a lot of childchains in future
That's why I said "medium term". Ardor will launch without any API for creating new child-chains. I'm guessing it will be six months or so before any are added, and then it will be in a very cautious and controlled way, in code. This vision where there are scores of child-chains may happen eventually, but I think it will be years away. I also tend to discount that future because I think there's a real risk it won't happen. In four years Nxt never set the world alight and Ardor might not either.

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And creating each trading pair with every existing childchian-coins when a new childchain-coin release? that's not a good idea, more efficient way is trading each childchain-coin against one unit, which is ARDR I think.
It can be any coin, and the logical coin is Ignis. The reason for making the common currency a child-chain one being, those trades can eventually be pruned because they don't affect security. Any trades involving Ardor will have to be kept. Hence using ARDR as a common currency will create bloat, and correspondingly high transaction fees. The whole point of the architecture is to avoid ARDR transactions as much as possible. So it will be a child-chain currency, and the logical choice is Ignis because it has first mover advantage.

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That's all guessing and I'm not reading too much into the docs, correct me my if I'm wrong.
Same here. I feel this splitting into a transaction coin and a forging coin is a huge experiment, and it's hard to predict how it will pan out. Previously, if you wanted to use the platform at all, you had to have NXT, and if you had it you might as well forge with it. Even then, 60% of holders didn't forge. Now you can use the platform using only IGNIS. Someone needs to hold ARDR and forge with it, for the good of the community. Maybe holders of IGNIS will also hold ARDR to help secure it, as part of the cost of doing business. To me that seems like the main driver for high market cap.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 17, 2017, 07:15:48 am
Very good points, thank you Brangdon!  ;D

Same here. I feel this splitting into a transaction coin and a forging coin is a huge experiment, and it's hard to predict how it will pan out. Previously, if you wanted to use the platform at all, you had to have NXT, and if you had it you might as well forge with it. Even then, 60% of holders didn't forge. Now you can use the platform using only IGNIS. Someone needs to hold ARDR and forge with it, for the good of the community. Maybe holders of IGNIS will also hold ARDR to help secure it, as part of the cost of doing business. To me that seems like the main driver for high market cap.

Yes, that's also my worry about. In current design, ARDR has no functions other than securing the network, and if we can't give it some intrinsic value or it can't get enough fees from forging, than there'd be even fewer forgers than NXT. And that threaten the security of ALL childchains not only IGNIS and ARDR itself.

Fortunately we distributed ARDR according NXT, I think we can count on those NXT forgers for a while.  :)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cayenne on October 17, 2017, 03:51:40 pm
I'm not so sure. I think ARDR forging might be profitable. If you have lots of child chains and transaction fees are paid in Ardor, then a forger could make some decent money.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ThomasVeil on October 17, 2017, 10:03:59 pm
I worry that it will be all too complicated. Already NXT is not easy for noobs. Getting a server running took me a full weekend. Now with Ardor I have to somehow learn about the child-currencies... set up bundling... check if it's profitable and all that. I mean, maybe it's easier than I imagine, but it will surely mean even less users go for the effort.   
And since NXT seems to already use up the server's memory a lot (as far as I understand), I worry if I can even run both chains on it. I might have to chose one. How many users would have two systems running for forging?
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on October 17, 2017, 10:59:13 pm
Ardor forging is as in NXT forging, click and forge block.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on October 18, 2017, 11:36:26 am
I'm not so sure about the ratio settings of bundle, decide to learn it in practice. ;)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Brangdon on October 19, 2017, 12:54:00 pm
Brangdon - my sincere apologies, I accidentally the whole thing to your post. and it was a good post too.  ill make it a point to do better

-forkedchain
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Riker on October 19, 2017, 08:18:48 pm
I worry that it will be all too complicated. Already NXT is not easy for noobs. Getting a server running took me a full weekend. Now with Ardor I have to somehow learn about the child-currencies... set up bundling... check if it's profitable and all that. I mean, maybe it's easier than I imagine, but it will surely mean even less users go for the effort.   
And since NXT seems to already use up the server's memory a lot (as far as I understand), I worry if I can even run both chains on it. I might have to chose one. How many users would have two systems running for forging?

At least initially the Ardor memory foot print should be small since the blockchain will be small.
I'm running NXT node successfully on a 1GB VPS node. Something that usually helps performance is to compact the database.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Brangdon on October 20, 2017, 01:33:14 pm
I worry that it will be all too complicated. Already NXT is not easy for noobs. Getting a server running took me a full weekend. Now with Ardor I have to somehow learn about the child-currencies... set up bundling... check if it's profitable and all that. I mean, maybe it's easier than I imagine, but it will surely mean even less users go for the effort.   
And since NXT seems to already use up the server's memory a lot (as far as I understand), I worry if I can even run both chains on it. I might have to chose one. How many users would have two systems running for forging?

At least initially the Ardor memory foot print should be small since the blockchain will be small.
I'm running NXT node successfully on a 1GB VPS node. Something that usually helps performance is to compact the database.
The need to manually compact the database is part of the problem: part of what makes running a node complicated. Needing to notice and manually resolve forks is another.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sbn on October 29, 2017, 07:06:13 pm
nxt = nxt kit If you create a private block chain
nxt provides 10% free tokens for private block chains.

IGNI = ARDOR Every time a child chain is sequential in a block chain
10% of the total tokens in the sub-chain are paid to the owner of the iGNIS token for free.   (jelurida.com/bitswift)

We need to know why this phrase is good.

The greatness of Etherium is to issue Ether tokens and invest in Etherium.

warning)
ARDOR itself does not have ICO or pre-sale capabilities.
IGNIS offers advanced ICO and advanced features.

IGNIS Do you remember this on the NXT platform when ICO was installed?
You will see that this will be done in the future at IGNIS.
Obviously, the ARDOR platform does not have ICO and pre-sale capabilities.

I also do not know the true value of NXT.
ARDOR is a (common) block chain with sub-chains open.
NXT's kit creates a private block chain.

At this point, you need to know whether you should use a private block chain.
Private block chains should be used for banking, finance, securities and stocks.
The NXT kit is the only one that has this capability.

 For example, if a global bank is to conduct securities and financial transactions using an NXT kit, 10% of the tokens issued by them will be paid to NXT token holders free of charge.

  This is not comparable to 10% of the general ICO token issuance you know,
   If the bank is tokenize 100 billion assets, the ten billion asset token must be paid to the NXT token holder. At present, this movement can be seen through NXT media.
 (jelurida.com/blockchain-creation-kit)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Riker on October 30, 2017, 07:16:53 am
Not sure why you say the Ardor and Nxt does not have ICO capabilities. The Ignis ICO itself is using the Nxt blockchain.
See also https://medium.com/@lyaffe/using-nxt-as-crowdfunding-platform-e12258b63aee
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: chesslover on October 30, 2017, 08:44:23 am
Not sure why you say the Ardor and Nxt does not have ICO capabilities. The Ignis ICO itself is using the Nxt blockchain.
See also https://medium.com/@lyaffe/using-nxt-as-crowdfunding-platform-e12258b63aee

Thank you @Riker for the link, most especially in describing in layman's terms the crownfunding options.

Are you planning to come up with an article in the future on how to conduct an IGNIS-like ICO on Ardor? As a Nxt programmer I am interested for such an article. Thanks.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: chesslover on October 30, 2017, 09:05:52 am

The greatness of Etherium is to issue Ether tokens and invest in Etherium.


Please don't start it, even Stellar is way better than Ethereum.

Using Stellar for ICOs (https://www.stellar.org/blog/using-stellar-for-ico/)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sbn on October 30, 2017, 01:50:10 pm


   nxt = ignis   Crowd raising  ok 

   ardor  Crowd raising  no   
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sbn on October 30, 2017, 01:54:24 pm

The greatness of Etherium is to issue Ether tokens and invest in Etherium.


Please don't start it, even Stellar is way better than Ethereum.




Thank you. But Stella is starting now.

nxt or ignis is perfectly close.

It is a game of children and adults.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: chesslover on October 30, 2017, 06:11:18 pm

The greatness of Etherium is to issue Ether tokens and invest in Etherium.


Please don't start it, even Stellar is way better than Ethereum.




Thank you. But Stella is starting now.

nxt or ignis is perfectly close.

It is a game of echildren and adults.

Only Hyperledger will be a worthy alternative to Ardor.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 13, 2017, 10:00:09 pm
Just to add: Ignis will get airdrops thanks to the license used for Ardor. So any clones will have to give 10% of their tokens to holders.
And Ignis will for now be the only chain with (nearly) all the NXT functionality. Not sure how much that wll be used... but well. With Ardor you can't do all that much other than forging/bundling. Which might actually be a lot of work.

Are you sure air drops are for Ignis and not NXT holders?

I read the license and I thought it meant NXT holders, not IGNIS holders. It also makes sense that Devs have huge amounts of NXT in their possession and they'd want to get some value from that (i.e. airdrops from childchains) and keep the value of NXT worth something (again because of air drops)

Does anyone have more info about which coin the airdrops of child coins will be from? NXT, Ardor or Ignis? Cause reading the license did confuse me, but logic says it should be NXT, not Ignis, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 13, 2017, 10:31:10 pm
Just to add: Ignis will get airdrops thanks to the license used for Ardor. So any clones will have to give 10% of their tokens to holders.
And Ignis will for now be the only chain with (nearly) all the NXT functionality. Not sure how much that wll be used... but well. With Ardor you can't do all that much other than forging/bundling. Which might actually be a lot of work.

Are you sure air drops are for Ignis and not NXT holders?

I read the license and I thought it meant NXT holders, not IGNIS holders. It also makes sense that Devs have huge amounts of NXT in their possession and they'd want to get some value from that (i.e. airdrops from childchains) and keep the value of NXT worth something (again because of air drops)

Does anyone have more info about which coin the airdrops of child coins will be from? NXT, Ardor or Ignis? Cause reading the license did confuse me, but logic says it should be NXT, not Ignis, but I could be wrong.

Air drop paragraph is in the JPL special condition, not general condition. Its in the special condition of the ARDR JPL license that NXT is to be change to IGNIS as far as I know. Currently the JPL on jelurida website is for NXT source code, not ardor source code.

Jelurida maximum number of NXT will be eventually 40M (as stated in the ARDR whitepaper). However, there is no limit that the devs may hold for IGNIS. This is not an issue in my opinion since the blockchain is secured with ARDR token and not IGNIS.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 13, 2017, 10:58:03 pm
@Sebastien256
Copy for the jpl...
"Starting from version 1.11.6, the Nxt Reference Software (NRS) is the first software to be released under the Jelurida Public License, with the Special Conditions requiring a 10% sharedrop to the NXT holders from Nxt clones."

I see other reference to NRS, and explicit mention of NXT, but no explicit mention of Ignis. Hence my confusion.

Although perhaps jelurida dot com slash bitswift is a real life example of the license in action, but I'm not sure, bitswift will airdrop Ignis holders.

I know it mentions forks of the software, and forks may not break the ledger consensus, but I take that to mean they must "play ball" with Ardor, but I don't get the impression that ardor holders will receive airdrops, just keeps mentioning NRS, from memory

I'm not a lawyer, but reading that license with the intention of really trying to understand it gives me more respect for lawyers. lol
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 13, 2017, 11:06:40 pm
JPL on jelurida website is for the NXT software.

There will be another version of the JPL for ARDOR where in the special condition it will be IGNIS instead of NXT that will get the airdrop. The devs already mentions this and they even shown a version of the JPL for the ARDOR software before NXT was released in the JPL. IGNIS was at the place of NXT in that version of the JPL.

Sincerely, imo it would not make sense to put NXT airdrop. NXT is a different platform than ARDR/IGNIS.

---
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 13, 2017, 11:43:18 pm
I read that original version mentioning Ignis, got all excited about Ignis, then came back a week later and Ignis was replaced with wording that made it sound like ardor/ignis was just another version of NXT, which I think it is.

The very name of the license implies that it's for both NXT and ardor/Ignis, they make the software, it's named jelurida public license, not specifically only for NXT. Ardor is even number version 2.0.4, they didn't skip ardor v1, v1 is NXT, I think.

I went looking for the bit where you say white paper mentions they will be capped to 40 million nxt, couldn't find it (and dumping NXT to enforce that clause would devalue NXT significantly, harming the value of the 40 million they'd have left, senseless). If they are capped then yes my logic falls apart, but if they aren't capped at how much NXT they can hold, then it makes perfect sense that NRS v1 holders get 10% of NRS v2 coins issued (Ignis fulfills this clause by issuing 50% to NXT holders btw, but childchains would also be nrs v2), because they are capitalising on their NXT holdings, which is especially significant now that they had everyone swopping NXT for Ignis during the ico, essentially inflating their NXT holdings, more reason for them to have reason to preserve NXT value by giving it some usefulness, else they are designing the license to devalue the only currency they are accepting as payment for Ignis
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 13, 2017, 11:49:25 pm
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 13, 2017, 11:49:44 pm
Sorry, the info about maximum 40M NXT is there https://www.jelurida.com/ico
and also at page 35 of the whitepaper.

you could ask the devs in the slack channel, they are very active there. They might be able to give you more details.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 13, 2017, 11:51:06 pm
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe

I guaranty you the bitswift airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. JPL is for clone and has nothing to do with Ardor childchain.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: joelquest on November 13, 2017, 11:53:48 pm
So if I am reading this thread right...

After the Snapshot on Dec 25, it might make sense to hold onto my NXT as I will get 10% of tokens that will use NXT possibly for ICO).  Is that a real possibility of there being clients for that?  That sounds great!!

is that the same true of IGNIS and/or ARDOR holders?   Or is the only additional income opportunity come from bundling (a concept i need to research further to completely understand)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 14, 2017, 12:01:37 am
I should take you up on that guarantee :-p

Also, from the whitepaper, you misread, it's referring to their takings from the ico, not governing their previous holdings. It's saying what they shall do with what they collect with THAT portion of the NXT they receive, it's not saying they agree to reduce their overall total NXT holdings to anything. As I say, that would be very silly of them, cause they probably do have large holding of NXT cause they the Devs, and would have probably been getting paid in NXT etc etc at some point.

"The last batch of 100 M JLRDA tokens will be reduced
by up to 20 M tokens allocated by Jelurida for promo-
tional and marketing use. Jelurida will keep as NXT
20% (but not more than 40 M NXT) of the NXT coins
collected in the crowdsale. Jelurida will convert the
rest of the collected NXT to fiat or BTC, but reserves
the right to do so in portions, or at a later time
depending on market conditions."
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: ninjanoel on November 14, 2017, 12:04:51 am
So if I am reading this thread right...

After the Snapshot on Dec 25, it might make sense to hold onto my NXT as I will get 10% of tokens that will use NXT possibly for ICO).  Is that a real possibility of there being clients for that?  That sounds great!!

is that the same true of IGNIS and/or ARDOR holders?   Or is the only additional income opportunity come from bundling (a concept i need to research further to completely understand)

Somebody is getting 10% of something, I'm trying to work out what. lol  ;D
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: TaylorMsd on November 22, 2017, 01:34:33 pm
The price is related to the bitcoin course and from this much depends.
I think after a while, around the spring of 2018 ARDR and IGNIS will become more popular
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on November 25, 2017, 06:24:54 pm
So if I am reading this thread right...

After the Snapshot on Dec 25, it might make sense to hold onto my NXT as I will get 10% of tokens that will use NXT possibly for ICO).  Is that a real possibility of there being clients for that?  That sounds great!!

is that the same true of IGNIS and/or ARDOR holders?   Or is the only additional income opportunity come from bundling (a concept i need to research further to completely understand)

Somebody is getting 10% of something, I'm trying to work out what. lol  ;D

Devs on slack have confirm that ignis would be receiving 10% tokens of Ardor clones.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: farl4bit on November 26, 2017, 07:19:03 pm
So if I am reading this thread right...

After the Snapshot on Dec 25, it might make sense to hold onto my NXT as I will get 10% of tokens that will use NXT possibly for ICO).  Is that a real possibility of there being clients for that?  That sounds great!!

is that the same true of IGNIS and/or ARDOR holders?   Or is the only additional income opportunity come from bundling (a concept i need to research further to completely understand)

Somebody is getting 10% of something, I'm trying to work out what. lol  ;D

Devs on slack have confirm that ignis would be receiving 10% tokens of Ardor clones.

This is also the case for Nxt holders. They will receive 10% tokens of Nxt clones.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 08, 2017, 03:08:01 am
So what are the new price prediction for IGNIS at launch? Its a very interesting phenomenon that we have here...
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: galeki on December 08, 2017, 04:52:10 am
2 x Current-Nxt-Price

 ::)
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: farl4bit on December 08, 2017, 10:30:24 am
2 x Current-Nxt-Price

 ::)

I am guessing the same. And you can follow the IGNIS futures on HitBTC.com. They are € 0.90 now.  :o
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sleepysmurf on December 23, 2017, 01:37:53 am
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe

I guaranty you the bitswift airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. JPL is for clone and has nothing to do with Ardor childchain.

"P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion. "

Actually it was a gesture of goodwill and had nothing to do with the JPL.  The JPL did not exist at the time when we decided to migrate to Ardor child chain.  We provided the airdrop as a gesture of good faith in the Nxt community and as mechanism to expand on our community in the right direction. 

-Bitswift
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sleepysmurf on December 23, 2017, 01:46:07 am
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe

I guaranty you the bitswift airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. JPL is for clone and has nothing to do with Ardor childchain.

"P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion. "

Actually it was a gesture of goodwill and had nothing to do with the JPL.  The JPL did not exist at the time when we decided to migrate to Ardor child chain.  We provided the airdrop as a gesture of good faith in the Nxt community and as mechanism to expand on our community in the right direction. 

-Bitswift

JPL applies to NXT clones not Ardor child chains.  Perhaps it applies to ARDOR platform in the future also.  jelurida.com/jpl
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Sebastien256 on December 23, 2017, 02:23:05 am
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe

I guaranty you the bitswift airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. JPL is for clone and has nothing to do with Ardor childchain.

"P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion. "

Actually it was a gesture of goodwill and had nothing to do with the JPL.  The JPL did not exist at the time when we decided to migrate to Ardor child chain.  We provided the airdrop as a gesture of good faith in the Nxt community and as mechanism to expand on our community in the right direction. 

-Bitswift

JPL applies to NXT clones not Ardor child chains.  Perhaps it applies to ARDOR platform in the future also.  jelurida.com/jpl

It will apply to ardor clone afaik.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: sleepysmurf on December 30, 2017, 09:44:30 pm
Concerning BITSWIFT, it is offical that these will be airdrop to the IGNIS holder, but the airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. It is simply the BITSWIFT childchain's creator that decide to give away his personal bitswift token to the IGNIS holder.

P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion.

P.p.s. off to bed now. Glad I found the forum, had these questions for a while, would really like to know so I can make an informed decision about selling or holding, I'm holding NXT waiting for my 50% ignis, I'm too poor not to make the right decision. hehe

I guaranty you the bitswift airdrop has nothing to do with the JPL. JPL is for clone and has nothing to do with Ardor childchain.

"P.s. surely they not issuing 10% out of the goodness of their heart, as a "gesture of goodwill"? It's to abide by the jpl, no other reason. In my opinion. "

Actually it was a gesture of goodwill and had nothing to do with the JPL.  The JPL did not exist at the time when we decided to migrate to Ardor child chain.  We provided the airdrop as a gesture of good faith in the Nxt community and as mechanism to expand on our community in the right direction. 

-Bitswift

JPL applies to NXT clones not Ardor child chains.  Perhaps it applies to ARDOR platform in the future also.  jelurida.com/jpl

It will apply to ardor clone afaik.

Yes I think I read that somewhere also but not 100% sure.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Right.Here on January 10, 2018, 01:00:56 am
Hi there  :D

there is many many investors trapped because they entered the game at a high rate ... these people rely on IGNIS to recover losses on NXT ... which has created a gigantic dump tsunami waiting for the reopening of trading...

I think in the near future, IGNIS will break the NXT lowest rate record before to going back up....
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Right.Here on January 17, 2018, 07:24:06 am
snifff  :( >:( ???

IGNIS at 0.44$...
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: floder2 on January 18, 2018, 02:18:03 am
I'm sure glad I traded my Nxt for eth before Christmas at 1.91 ..IGNIS may come in at .10 cents when you have a chance to trade it ..........Also moved all my ETH 3 days ago to my coinbase USD wallet until the dust settles ...on this hit that all crypto's felt
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cgriswold on February 06, 2018, 04:19:01 am
Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)

1:10 is just a rough guess and I have no meaning of despising IGNIS.  ;D

If IGNIS's ICO is still sold out instantly in every round then I may change my mind, but it stalled @ 1.05.

And ARDOR keep rising and devs are buying.

Mainly the market's saying.  :D

The price stalled at 1.05 because that price is higher than obtaining IGNIS by buying/holding NXT.  If you buy 2 NXT, you receive 1 IGNIS during snapshot, essentially 1 NXT per Ignis and keep the other NXT.  The IGNIS Price will fall in the middle between ARDOR and NXT.  If the snapshot were today, with ARDOR at .26 and NXT at .06 IGNIS would be around .16     

Think my earlier prediction was more or less accurate...Now a month after launch, IGNIS is valued approx halfway between ARDOR and NXT  Back when I wrote this, it felt like ARDOR at .26 USD was a good value.  Guess we are getting back to that good value.......It may take awhile to get back the other way to a $1.00
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: cgriswold on February 06, 2018, 04:19:59 am
Average price of NXT since ICO begin is about: ~0.1175 USD (personal data collection).
Total NXT collected so far: ~157.8075 M NXT.
Total JLRDA sell during ICO so far:  ~253.15 M JLRDA

Average Price of JLRDA = 0.11575*157.8075/253.15 = 0.072 USD

Current price of ARDOR = 0.203389 USD.

So your approximation of 1:3.33 for now is quite good. I do get 1:2.82 with the above approximation.

I just don't think IGNIS will only be value 1/10 of ARDR. It would not make sense since IGNIS is required to use the platform, ARDR is just for collecting fees and i doubt that fees will be very high in the beginning.

I think both will appreciate a lot, ARDOR and IGNIS. Jelurida will have a high insensitive to make the value of IGNIS high, since they own a lot of it.

Where did you get that nothing from IGNIS (no 10%-licence staff?)

1:10 is just a rough guess and I have no meaning of despising IGNIS.  ;D

If IGNIS's ICO is still sold out instantly in every round then I may change my mind, but it stalled @ 1.05.

And ARDOR keep rising and devs are buying.

Mainly the market's saying.  :D

The price stalled at 1.05 because that price is higher than obtaining IGNIS by buying/holding NXT.  If you buy 2 NXT, you receive 1 IGNIS during snapshot, essentially 1 NXT per Ignis and keep the other NXT.  The IGNIS Price will fall in the middle between ARDOR and NXT.  If the snapshot were today, with ARDOR at .26 and NXT at .06 IGNIS would be around .16     

Think my earlier prediction was more or less accurate...Now a month after launch, IGNIS is valued approx halfway between ARDOR and NXT  Back when I wrote this, it felt like ARDOR at .26 USD was a good value.  Guess we are getting back to that good value.......It may take awhile to get back the other way to the good value of a $1.00
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: farl4bit on February 08, 2018, 09:03:02 am
And because there was an IGNIS airdrop there are always a lot of people who are not really into the coin, but just want to make a quick free profit. They will easily dump the price. Now that those 'weak hands' sold their IGNIS, the buy pressure can rise and the sell pressure will decrease.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: MrCluster87 on July 24, 2018, 07:47:37 am
Hey Guys!!

What happened on July 18th? I just saw a spike in price on Poloniex... followed by a huge crash afterwards...
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: MrCluster87 on July 24, 2018, 08:07:25 am
Ah... it was listed on Binance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1518497.msg42393648#msg42393648
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Klokan on October 19, 2018, 12:45:08 am
snifff  :( >:( ???

IGNIS at 0.44$...

It's funny to read various prediction articles from December 17/January 18 here .. oh, wait : It's not funny, it's so sad, if we are true PoS believers :-( . And, anyway, all this Ardor forum (Nxt forum even more) looks almost dead, which is sad as well.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Logan on October 26, 2018, 08:34:38 am
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And, anyway, all this Ardor forum (Nxt forum even more) looks almost dead, which is sad as well.
Indeed. Looks like most people are still in slack and on reddit. But even there its pretty quiet. Like in most crypto-communities these days.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: Jose on March 05, 2019, 08:02:27 am
NXT and ARDOR forging rewards
https://twitter.com/Jelurida/status/1102147299592060929 (https://twitter.com/Jelurida/status/1102147299592060929)

Check all the details of this long term program at https://www.jelurida.com/nxt-ardor-forging-rewards (https://www.jelurida.com/nxt-ardor-forging-rewards)

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Reward system

    ·A contract will run every 10 blocks. It will randomly select one of the last 10 blocks and reward the block generator with 20 IGNIS (minus a small transaction fee).
    ·Two separate contracts are deployed: one for Ardor and one for Nxt.
    ·In total, around 5760 IGNIS will be distributed every 24 hours, or around 170K Ignis per month. In the current market, this is worth €2200 / month in total rewards.
    ·The program will run for 3 months, then its effectiveness will be re-evaluated.


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To participate in the program

    ·Setup a full Ardor and/or Nxt node and start forging.
    ·If you forge on Ardor, login with your forging account, navigate to the Ignis child chain, and set the account property "ForgingReward" (without quotes) to apply for the Ignis bonus. Set the property recipient to the same account. The property value does not matter (it is ignored by the contract). More information about how to set the account property: https://ardordocs.jelurida.com/Account_Properties
    ·If you forge on Nxt, set the ForgingReward account property on the Nxt blockchain. The rewards for forging on Nxt blockchain will also be paid in IGNIS. To access your IGNIS tokens, log in with the same account on the Ardor blockchain (Ignis child chain).
    ·In addition, to reward people running nodes and forging on Nxt blockchain, Jelurida will put a buy offer on the Nxt Currency Exchange for 150 000 NSC at a rate of 1 NXT per NSC. NSC is a Monetary System currency on the Nxt blockchain created in the past by community members to award those running nodes/forging and NSC rewards are still distributed periodically to NXT holders.
Title: Re: price speculation - IGNIS/ARDR
Post by: rubenbc on March 21, 2019, 02:30:40 pm
ARDOR - Where we came from. Where we are. Where we are going. | NXTER.ORG (https://www.nxter.org/ardor-where-we-came-from-where-we-are-where-we-are-going/)
Title: Call for Book Chapters - Blockchain and the Gaming Sector
Post by: Jose on August 17, 2019, 08:05:35 am
Call for Book Chapters - Blockchain and the Gaming Sector: Ideas, concepts and running apps on Ardor and NXT

https://twitter.com/alexpfeiffer/status/1152203290140192768

A call for book chapters - Blockchain and the Gaming Sector, has been announced by the Center for Applied Game Studies of Donau-Uni Krems!

Ideas, concepts and running apps based on Ardor and Nxt can be submitted here: https://tinyurl.com/y57ssgfm
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