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who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« on: October 12, 2018, 08:43:12 am »

patoshi
yea im starting to change my thinking of "decentralization"... u really don't need thousands of nodes...

i can see why less is better in certain circumstances like this.. which is speed... its very anonying to wait for a block confirmation.
even with eth's 15 second is too long.
ur limited in what you can make with long block times...

dan lamier had a discussion on why the 21 block producers was picked.. why the 21 number... he took it from lessons from bitshares and steemit on where its dpos where users vote in the block producers.... he said only a hand ful of users voted and it always ended up to be a number of 10-25 miners where users voted for....
its good to know what others are doing
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 08:43:40 am »

mrv777
Riker did say Ardor block times could be decreased and will be on the testnet in the near future, but didn't say by how much
I don't think we'll see 1 second blocktimes or anything like that. But lower would look better for marketing I think
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 08:44:07 am »

Elizabeth
I've heard it can be pretty fast, but I think at these levels of transaction it is more secure to keep it paced.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2018, 08:44:28 am »

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I think a lot could be done with the right user interfaces though, if you treat unconfirmed TX as happened at least for the user, a lot would feel very seamless on Ardor already. For example on a Dex (say Idex): the transfer from the wallet to the exchange (in the idex case, just say it was on Ardor) would be submitted and appears after 5 secs on the exchange wallet. Lets say the UI would already allow you to place an order using these transferred funds (but the backend would only actually execute any order with confirmed funds, of course). By the time you've clicked all the buttons and adjusted settings,  the first confirmation would probably be there. If it was reduced to 30 my theory is that you wouldnt realize the delay anymore. Except for space invaders of course, but I am talking about stuff blockchains would be useful for such as financial services.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 08:45:19 am »

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On the decentralisation topic - I would buy swords for a game that uses EOS, but I would never ever use it to transfer significant amounts of money. Or setup a business that transfers large values on it.. The different entities there have so much power it can be frightening. You could be blocked by BPs for example. The different entities are known, so they can be approached offline (blackmailed, colluded,...). Either a balance of powers will establish and it will be a great blockchain because it can be developed further by voting consensus, or it may just end in a big mess.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 08:45:37 am »

patoshi
how about we sell Ardor physical nodes as a way to "support" the light contracts ecosystem?
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 08:46:26 am »

patoshi
say we had a service or something that relies on the ardor network say the ardor data cloud. it takes space... especially if your an archival node. now we sell the raspberry pi's with 128gb sd cards. this will support the ardor system while it gives the user the perception that its hosting their files too.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 08:47:14 am »

patoshi
we'll it has be be worded properly obviously

"Data Cloud Storage Unit - Plug and Play"
its just half done ideas i still want to finish up... i think it could work. but next question is . will anyone buy it.
return in reverse relevance order what does that mean
for the search data tag
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 08:47:38 am »

mrv777
This could be done. Biggest issues I see are:
1.) correctly marketing it like you said so people actually want to get them and run them.
2.) Keeping them updated. I suppose a cronjob could be setup with a script to look for a new version every night and update if needed
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 08:48:35 am »

patoshi
answer me and i thumbs u up
what if we incentivized ppl say u get a portion of the "fees" when ppl save to the devices.
say u charge $100 for the device. but in reality your giving back $30 to them over time
a perception of that your "mining"
but obviously you'd never make it back. but who knows maybe if ardor goes up by alot u make it back. which is how mining companies sell their stuff anyways
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 08:48:59 am »

Oh, for the search data tag I'm not sure how they weight the returned items to see which one is most relative. Good question for @riker or @petko
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 08:49:39 am »

petko
Hi, what is the question exactly? I don't think results are weighted by some relativity score.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 08:50:38 am »

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In what order are the results returned. It doesn't seem to be chronological. It says they are returned in relevance order. It's not clear how that relevance is calculated though and/or if there is a way to get them returned on chronological order
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 08:51:23 am »

petko
ah yes, so my bad. They are `ORDER BY ft.score DESC` (whatever that is). they are ordered by ScoreDoc.score - see https://lucene.apache.org/core/7_2_1/core/index.html?org/apache/lucene/search/ScoreDoc.html
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2018, 08:51:51 am »

mrv777
Might be good to add that to the new wiki
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2018, 08:53:02 am »

petko
well, it doesn't say a lot :slightly_smiling_face: how is that score calculated, I still don't understand. the answer is somewhere here: https://lucene.apache.org/core/7_0_1/core/org/apache/lucene/search/package-summary.html#scoring. ok I also replied here https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/79998/why-are-ardor-transactions-called-via-the-api-not-in-chronological-order-by-time/ (my answer is as good as I could understnad how Lucene works)
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2018, 08:56:09 am »

patoshi
u manufacturer the nodes.. u can mark each created node you ship... and u can detect if its stays on for X amount of time already. reward node owners like that.

owners that bought these type of preconfigured archival nodes.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2018, 08:56:28 am »

mrv777
So probably need some sort of.product registration too? To connect the node to an account that will earn the ardor

I mean, it just maybe needs a serial number and an Ardor address to connect them
And then some sort of monitoring like peerexplorer that keeps pinging the nodes and looking for these ones
You could have a deluxe version, which comes with an eink display that is setup to show node information and maybe how much the node has earned so far
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2018, 08:57:31 am »

patoshi
yea or maybe even sell different "power levels" which is just basically nodes receiving more "leased" ardor or whatever.

fantasy ideas until i can get to it.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2018, 08:57:50 am »

Elizabeth
Fascinating don’t stop thinking about this one!
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2018, 08:58:18 am »

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I am in contact with a company that manufactures energy meters for electricity supply companies. I have proposed to incorporate the software package to hold a node on their devices. if the jelurida team is interested, I could arrange a meeting with the CEO. http://circutor.es/en/
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2018, 08:59:42 am »

martis
Not talking about complex stuff, like HD space, auto update of node software, etc.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2018, 09:00:17 am »

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I can consult with circutor what capacity has their plc and if they can be updated remotely. The technology advances very fast.
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Re: who needs his own node (raspberry) except nerds?
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2018, 09:00:45 am »

patoshi
anyone look into EOS ? it seems very interesting of how it works.
you buy ram / cpu / bandwidth to launch your dapps and there are 0 fees. im very impressed with the .5 sec block times.

its good to see what others are doing and maybe ardor can leap frog it when the time comes by adopting what works and doesnt in the future.
i'm still grasping how eos works. as it seems very complex on how its setup .. its very develoepr focused it seems.
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