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Cybernetic Revelation

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Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« on: January 04, 2018, 12:00:38 am »

I have tried several times to create a wallet and each time I'm given a passphrase which opens a new account. Then when I logout and try and login again I get a message saying --

Your passphrase is associated with an unregsitered account ARDOR-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX. Make sure there is no typo in the passphrase. If you still like to use this passphrase create a new account and use the 'choose your own passhrase' link

AND THAT'S IT. NO LOGIN TO THE ACCOUNT.

This is very frustrating for me because my passphrase has been compromised and I'm trying to move my ardor over to a new account. Right now I'm stuck using my dad's rootkit infested computer which is hosting 45 mail servers at last count lol and having to use a livecd each time I try to create a new ardor account.

I was thinking perhaps after I get the new passphrase and try and login with it I have to send some ardor to the account first before the passphrase will actually open the wallet?

I am sick of waiting for windows to shut down, then rebooting into a livecd, reinstalling java, the client etc and then getting api and proxy errors or not being able to login to the account with the passphrase which was generated the last time I tried to create a new wallet and then rebooting back into windows! All in the knowledge that my passphrase has been sat on this viral machine that passes for my dad's computer for the last 4 YEARS HAHAHA.

The passphrase was encrypted though and I think it's pretty secure too, but I also think I need to get a new wallet!

« Last Edit: January 04, 2018, 12:06:08 am by Cybernetic Revelation »
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2018, 12:13:59 am »

Ideally I'd like to use a pseudo-random ascii string. But try it for yourself, it doesn't open a wallet. So if I put in a long ascii string and the wallet then spits out address ARDOR-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX I can enter the wallet using ARDOR-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX but not when I use the ascii string associated with the address.

So if I send some ardor to that address will the wallet open next time I use the passphrase?
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2018, 01:11:47 am »

You don't need ARDR in order to open your wallet.

I use a passphrase that I created myself (it is a long sentence that I can remember).  I just tried logging on using my passphrase instead of my address and it worked with no problems.  Are you selecting the key symbol on the login screen before entering your passphrase?
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2018, 02:13:34 am »

You don't need ARDR in order to open your wallet.

I use a passphrase that I created myself (it is a long sentence that I can remember).  I just tried logging on using my passphrase instead of my address and it worked with no problems.  Are you selecting the key symbol on the login screen before entering your passphrase?

I am using the key symbol and I'm pretty sure it has passphrase faded in the background. I'm going to have another go tomorrow. But as of right now I'm pretty sure the wallet generates a passphrase, which I then login to the wallet with, then I log out and try and get back in with the exact same pass and I get the following message and don't get back into the wallet again --

Your passphrase is associated with an unregsitered account ARDOR-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX. Make sure there is no typo in the passphrase. If you still like to use this passphrase create a new account and use the 'choose your own passhrase' link

Now I'm pretty sure I'm using the wallet from jelurida because I checked the sha256 sum. But I also see two spelling mistakes above too from the copy and paste I did with the wallet message -- "unregsitered" and "passhrase"

Honestly the whole thing is a nightmare. I keep thinking okay the pass from my dad's computer was encrypted with a pretty strong password with good encryption so just leave the account alone. But then it's in the back of my mind that someone might be trying to crack it, so I reboot back into the livecd and install everything, extract the wallet passwords etc and then I end up having to boot back into windows again which I'm certain is full of malware and watching my every move lol. The AV even has to be manually started everything time and told to start at startup, which it never does!
« Last Edit: January 04, 2018, 02:25:16 am by Cybernetic Revelation »
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2018, 02:42:59 am »

You get the unregistered account message if there are no transactions for the account (an account doesn't exist until a transaction is done).  You can login using the Ardor address that is displayed in the error message.  This is the address that corresponds to the passphrase your entered.  Once you are logged in, you can validate the passphrase to make sure that it matches the Ardor address.

It is actually a good idea to login using the Ardor address and only supply the passphrase when you are creating a transaction.  The GUI will remember Ardor addresses so you don't need to type them in each time you login.
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2018, 02:51:54 am »

You get the unregistered account message if there are no transactions for the account (an account doesn't exist until a transaction is done).  You can login using the Ardor address that is displayed in the error message.  This is the address that corresponds to the passphrase your entered.  Once you are logged in, you can validate the passphrase to make sure that it matches the Ardor address.

It is actually a good idea to login using the Ardor address and only supply the passphrase when you are creating a transaction.  The GUI will remember Ardor addresses so you don't need to type them in each time you login.

Okay, that makes sense, thanks for the help. I hadn't thought about that before and would have always logged in using the passphrase if ever I knew I had to make a transaction.

What about the misspellings from wallet message? Does anyone know if they're actually in the authentic wallet or if I'm making things up?

"unregsitered" and "passhrase"
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2018, 05:09:38 am »

Misspellings like that always make me nervous.  It's a professionalism thing. 
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2018, 02:06:27 pm »

Okay, so I think the major problem I was having was trying to open an unregistered wallet using the passphrase as opposed to the account address.

Still when the wallet first generates a new passphrase and you enter it in the passphrase field the wallet opens. Then afterwards it does not.

Anyway, I won't belabour the point. My main problem is probably that I'm actually getting a little paranoid and unsettled from thinking about my passphrase having been sat on my dad's computer for 4 years. So then I'm getting overly suspicious of all uncertainties and jumping to wrong conclusions and that's not helped by my not having a clue how the wallet works :P

I'm going to create a new wallet with an ascii string to get the account address and then send ardor to that address and see how that goes. If it works out I'll send all my ardor to the new address and save the new passphrase offline!

Thanks for the help!
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2018, 02:41:39 pm »

Your passphrase is not stored on the computer.  Even if you request the GUI to remember the passphrase, that applies to just the current browser session.  So your account should be safe - just don't use the hacked computer :)
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2018, 03:22:09 pm »

Your passphrase is not stored on the computer.  Even if you request the GUI to remember the passphrase, that applies to just the current browser session.  So your account should be safe - just don't use the hacked computer :)

Thanks, what I was trying to say is I'd stored my NXT passphrase on my dad's computer for 4 years without really thinking through the possible consequences. But it was inside an encrypted archive in a directory called "NXT" alongside other old wallets and passes contained in a directory called "coins."

So I was thinking perhaps some malware might have spotted the obvious and someone might be trying to crack the passphrase for the nxt archive as I type this out! That's why I need to make a new brain wallet and move my ardor over to it.

And I'm paranoid because I feel like some hacker is watching everything I do waiting for me to make a mistake LOL. This is the only computer I have access to atm. I tried to make a persistent linux bootable usd drive, but it wouldn't boot. So I'm stuck rebooting in and out of a livecd atm.

So I need to make the new wallet and then store the backups on external flash drives and then remember not to plug them back into this computer!
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2018, 05:04:03 pm »

Nxt isn't like Bitcoin.  There isn't an actual wallet containing secret keys and transactions.  You can connect to any full node and access your account.  So the only issue is that your archive may get hacked and your secret phrase exposed.  In that case, it makes sense to create a new secret phrase and send your coins from the old account to the new account.  You can do this using any Nxt node (either your own node or one with a public API).  The database is the same for all nodes and is not unique for your own node.
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Re: Do I need ardor in my account before the wallet will open?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2018, 05:42:19 pm »

Thanks, ScripterRon.

I managed to sort everything out in the end. So now I don't have to worry so much and can get on with thinking about out things!

Hopefully ardor will gain some traction now and really take off in the near future.

Thanks for all the help!
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